Exclusive Interview With Steve Bannon:
China and the Nov. 2020 election
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‘This Is the Only Fight That Matters’—Exclusive
Interview With Steve Bannon
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Joshua Philipp December 21, 2020 Updated: December 21, 2020biggersmaller
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Joshua
Philipp: [host on Epoch Times TV]
[a brief beginning part of the interview is missing]
Stephen K. Bannon: [has
been Trump's political strategy advisor.]
People
don't understand -- We're winning. Sometimes
there's blue sky and sometimes there are grey skies, but we're winning, and
that's why... it's a fight... You know I'm a big believer... I'm a fighter, I'm
a street fighter, but I believe in fights that matter. This is not only a fight
that matters; this is maybe the ONLY fight that matters.
[The "fight" issue: The recent presidential election
that involved massive voting fraud and the enormous Chinese influence on that
corrupt election]
Musical flourish.
Joshua: Hey, welcome back
everyone. We're here in the studio of War Room: Pandemic
[an organization set up to study and comment on the Chine
Communist Party virus pandemic of 2020]
sitting down with Steve
Bannon. We are going to be talking about what's happening with this election,
and what's happening with the possibility of a new special prosecutor. Steve, it's
real great having you on Crossroads
[this current TV show].
Bannon: Thanks. I'm a
huge fan, huge fan of the Epoch Times,
[a New York based
newspaper set up by the Chinese Falun Gong religion, originally only Chinese
language, but later multiple languages.
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is a new religious movement. Falun Gong was founded by its leader Li Hongzhi in
China in the early 1990s. Today Falun Gong maintains an informal headquarters,
Dragon Springs, a 400-acre compound around the hamlet of Cuddebackville in
Deerpark, New York, located near the current residence of Li Hongzhi. Falun
Gong's performance arts extension, Shen Yun and two closely connected schools,
Fei Tian College and Fei Tian Academy of the Arts, also operate in and around
Dragon Springs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong]
NTD,
[New Tang Dynasty] [The video broadcasting arm of the Epoch Times]
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multilingual American television broadcaster, founded by Falun Gong
practitioners, based in New York City. The station was founded in 2001 as a
Chinese-language broadcaster, but has since expanded its language offerings.
The company retains a focus on mainland China in its news broadcasts. It is a
major part of a group of media outlets representing Falun Gong.
The station has a regular focus on the
promotion of traditional Chinese culture, and devotes extensive news coverage
to alleged Chinese human rights issues, scrutinizing what it considers to be
abuses of power by the Chinese Communist Party.
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all the guys. You guys
do some of the best work around so... you're on a roll.
Joshua: [I] appreciate {it}.
Bannon: Honored to be here.
Joshua: You do some
great work.
Bannon: Normally I'd have
Simone Gou,
[an Epoch Times interviewer and broadcaster]
so I'm glad to see that
there's more than one face. I'm just kidding. I love your documentary that just
came out.
[2020 Election Investigative Documentary:
Who’s Stealing America?
https://www.theepochtimes.com/2020-election-investigation-who-is-stealing-america_3617562.html]
It is extraordinary. We're
recommending it not just to our audience, which has got to be pretty vast, but
for them to share it with their relatives and their friends over the holiday
season. People who just hear the mainstream media say "all the charges
here… There's no evidence, and it's all baseless. The point we try to make is
you don't have to buy the fact the election was stolen, right, but, you should
see that there's lots of evidence, and this is certainly not baseless and has
to be adjudicated. And I think that's the power of the 90 min. documentary that
you put together.
2:17
Joshua: Appreciate it.
Yeah. Now Stephen, you been talking about the idea of a new special prosecutor.
First off, why don't you tell us about your... what you've been discussing on
the need for a new special prosecutor.
Bannon: I think there is
[a] twofold [need]. I think that we need
two special prosecutors. One, you need a special prosecutor specifically for
the election fraud and voter fraud. Not that this can't get worked out, I think
in President Trump's favor, by the 20th [of January 2020], which I think will
happen, to close the deal that President Trump won this huge landslide. As you kind of show on your documentary. But,
deeper, you need a real investigative apparatus with subpoena power, the power
to indict, empanel a grand jury, unlimited budget to go through these states. That
needs to be done by a special prosecutor. My recommendation would be Judge Starr
[Kenneth Winston Starr]. He was the lead witness today at Senator Johnson's
hearing on voter fraud in the Senate [Senator Ronald Harold Johnson
(R-Wisconsin) is the chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee]. He's got
a tremendous reputation, is deeply knowledgeable in election law, he was
obviously the special prosecutor during Whitewater, and he was the one that
brought basically impeachment charges against President Clinton. And so, this
guy is very steeped in what a special prosecutor does. He's also I think
admired on both sides of the aisle.
In addition, and even
probably with more urgency, we need to have a special prosecutor totally
separate assigned to the Biden CCP Chinese Communist party's influence-peddling
and really compromise of Joe Biden and his entire family over a long period of
time. This has to be done immediately. It has to focus initially on the "hard
drive from hell" and the laptop,
[Hunter Biden's laptop left at a Delaware computer shop for repair
and subpoenaed by the FBI/DOJ.
What We Know and Don’t About Hunter
Biden and a Laptop
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/22/us/politics/hunter-biden-laptop.html]
all the compromising
material that's in there between them about the CCP and Biden. Later it can
expand to Burisma
[a corrupt energy company in Ukraine which bought government
influence through Hunter Biden to access Joe Biden]
or whatever, but as I've
said many times, Russia is a sideshow
[Hunter received money from a Russian oligarch, presumably to
influence Joe Biden]
and Ukraine is a
sideshow to a sideshow.
This about the Chinese
Communist party and their essentially buying of influence in Washington DC and in
Wall Street and in corporate America. This is the most urgent task facing our
country. You need a special prosecutor. You need somebody that's beyond the
reach, in case Biden, in case Pres. Trump can't close this deal by January 20th.
You need somebody that's beyond the reach of Biden's... if he was ever to be
president, his justice department, so this is urgent. I also think that this
special prosecutor will be historic in the fact that I think it'll focus
initially on Biden's family and their selling of access over many years, and
really their financial partnership with the Chinese Communist party.
But it will very quickly
I think metastasize into really looking at a formal investigation, with
subpoena power and the power to indict, of the CCP's infiltration of Wall
Street, Corporate America, our cultural institutions, all of it. So I
anticipate this will be very big, and the President's thinking about this. I
mean it has been reported in the Associated Press this morning, broke a huge
story, how he's really focused more on really the Biden situation because of
the Chinese Communist party than even the election special prosecutor. So, for
your audience, you know we called on the show a month ago, three weeks ago, for
Barr to be fired. Barr was fired. You're going to see two special prosecutors
selected very quickly, I think.
Joshua: A lot of people
would wonder... Well first off, there's the Durham... Durham being a special
prosecutor now, this was recently revealed by Barr before he stepped down.
[John Durham is the U.S. Attorney in Connecticut assigned to
investigate the origins of the Trump-Russia probe, previously investigated by
DOJ special counsel Robert Mueller. ]
Bannon: He was only, he
was only made special prosecutor in the last couple weeks. There is a fear of
if Biden, if the steal stays on and Biden is inaugurated, then Biden's ability
to shut it down.
Look, I've been very
disappointed in the Durham situation. I know a lot of people have.. You know
Durham had all the declassified information about the Russian hoax, all that.
I'm extremely disappointed from what I've heard. I've heard that many of the
main principles have not even had to retain attorneys. They have been brought
in for information. So I keep telling people that they live in Fantasyland. They're
all sitting there going, "Oh you know," all these people on the right
you know, "Durham is going to come in and announce 4,000 indictments."
You know, two months before, three months before the election, that is all
going to be over. That is nonsense. He will never show any indictments. If he
ever does, [it won't be] until way after the election, way after this matters.
So I think Durham is another example of a Department of Justice apparatchik who
under Barr, and I thought Barr did a terrible job. He did an okay job on the
impeachment, but I think the impeachment was quite frankly not that difficult.
He started to do a
pretty good job on CCP, right, but a lot of that was from prodding by Trump and
by Mike Pompeo, but Barr stepped up, gave a couple of great speeches. You know,
the Justice Department arrested a few underlings, right, to show they had
activity, they don't get to the heart of it. Nobody important. It's just like
in [the Humphrey Bogart movie] "Casablanca," they roll up "the usual
suspects," right, but nothing major. A couple of nice speeches, and I
thought it was good, and we pushed that at the time that this guy's headed in
the right direction. But he clearly suppressed, admittedly suppressed
information about the CCP and the Biden family for many months. First off, they've
had the "hard drive from hell" for a year, a year last week, December
9th is when they got the hard drive from hell. And no movement done on it. So
that alone, to me, he should have been fired. And, by the way, I'm not saying
he'll be a target of the special prosecutor, but he's certainly going to be
investigated.
There needs to be an
investigation of the Justice Department about why the "hard drive from
hell," with all this information. Remember the information, as the Epoch Times
readers know, and NTD viewers know better than anybody, the level of detail of
the wire transfers, the signed term sheets, the signed engagement letters, the
signed joint venture agreements with the worst of the worst of these fake
companies that are front organizations for influence peddling and espionage by
the Chinese Communist party -- HNA,
[HNA Group Co., Ltd., is
a Chinese conglomerate headquartered in Haikou, Hainan, China.
Being the head of a huge
Chinese conglomerate appears to be risky:
"China's HNA
Chairman Wang dies in France after falling from a wall"
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-hna-chairman-idUSKBN1JU0SQ],
N bond insurance company,
[China Bond Insurance
Co.,Ltd. provides financial guarantee services ],
CEFC, the energy trading company,
[CEFC China Energy is a private Chinese conglomerate. The company
was among the 10 largest private companies in China in 2014.]
and a cast of, just, you
know, major Chinese Communist party intel officers and intelligence assets. He's
known this for a long time and has suppressed that information and allowed Joe
Biden, on the stage and on the debate. Remember, the "hard drive from hell"
we finally got published by the New York Post on the morning of the fourteenth.
[actually Oct. 22, 2020]
8:35
The evening of the
fourteenth was the debate with President Trump and Joe Biden. [actually Oct.
22]
I think it was the first
debate, no, second debate, and Trump turns to Biden right there and talks about
the allegations against the son being in business with the Chinese Communist
Party, and taking money. Biden looks the audience in the eye, a global
audience, and says, my son's done nothing wrong. He's never taken a penny from
overseas. He has no relationships. All three of those are bald-faced lies, just
bald-faced lies, and Barr did not come out and correct that. He didn't need to
say the guy was guilty, but he needed to tell the American people that's not
actually correct. Actually, there is a formal investigation going on related to
information that we got off the hard drive, and other information. And he
didn't say that. And the reason is now we know it's been leaked in the media
that he told people he didn't want subpoenas going out, he didn't want any
information going out because he didn't want to upset the elections. That's
nonsense, and he must be investigated for that, and I'm really glad he got
fired.
9:30
Joshua: Now, when it
comes to the Hunter Biden investigations [there is ] is a bit of history on
this for our viewers, of course. Now we remember that when this information was
coming out, a lot of the big media, a lot of the New York Times and these other
publications, they were saying don't even look at it. It's Russian
disinformation. Don't even look at it. They were saying, some of the different outlets
are saying, oh all we have these 50 something different former intelligence
operatives look at it, and they believe it's Russian disinformation.
Now the narrative is
totally switched, and these same outlets that were saying that are now saying
there's something here. And as you mentioned as well, during the debates Biden
even brought that up and said, "oh well, these different intelligence
officials say this is Russian disinformation. Now what a lot of people might be
concerned about is that there's a strategic shift in the narrative. That the
media is doing this intentionally. Before the election they were saying one
thing; now they're saying something else, now they think Biden's going to win, and
that if he does get removed, we're just going to see Kamala Harris become
president. What would you say to people who are...
10:28
Bannon: I don't believe
in [conspiracy theories]... the watchword in the... that I've lived by and that
the war room is. There are no conspiracies, but there're also no coincidences.
What I think you're seeing now... remember, let's go back to some of the
subjects we're unpacking, because it's quite important. The most important
thing of that is the intelligence... official intelligence apparatus and this
is why I've been a huge proponent of declassifying all the information around
the Russia investigation. I believe Durham has this. He hasn't put it out.
I think we should
declassify it all now and get it out, because it'll destroy Brennan and Hayden
and these guys,
[John Brennan and Michael Hayden, previous CIA Directors, hostile
to Trump. For example, see
"Ex-CIA Director Michael Hayden slams ex-spy chief Richard
Grenell over Clinton docs"
https://nypost.com/2020/10/07/hayden-calls-ex-spy-chief-a-hole-amid-hillary-clinton-doc/]
as they should be. Because
remember this is the same crowd that for years and years and years did such a
terrible job on radical Islamic Jihad, but spent all this time on Russia, right?
Let's go back in time. They missed 9/11, they absolutely lied and misled the
nation and officials about the WMD, the Weapons of Mass Destruction, in Iraq.
Just remember, they actually lied and put out false information about Iraq.
They have lied consistently in their intelligence reporting about Afghanistan.
The Washington Post, not Steve Bannon of the War Room, not the Epoch Times, the
Washington Post does that nine-part series that talks about the national
security apparatus and the intelligence community, basically lying like they
did in Vietnam, lying to the American people, that's why we have been there for
twenty years, because we have been winning for twenty years. Every year we're
winning. They came out with this record, and by the way, what is the story they
missed?
The central thing they
missed, this intelligence operation they missed, is the rise of China and the
infiltration by the Chinese Communist Party into every aspect of American business,
financial, cultural, and political life. Completely nothing. Crickets by the
intelligence community, over decades, okay? The greatest existential threat
America has ever faced, an existential threat to the Chinese people. A group
that has enslaved the Chinese people, one of the great civilizations in the
world, has infiltrated all over the world, as we now know from the reports
coming out, the leak last week of the 2 million Chinese Communist party members
[Chinese Communist member data leak shows thousands in US government,
companies and more: report
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2020/12/chinese-communist-member-data-leak-shows-thousands-in-us-government-companies-and-more-report/]
into some of the most...
highest security companies in America, defense companies. In our consulate in
Shanghai, in the British Consulate in Shanghai. You know it from the books of
Clive Hamilton, Clive Hamilton's book "Hidden Hand" that goes through chapter and verse.
[Hidden
Hand: Exposing How the Chinese Communist Party is Reshaping the World
by
Clive Hamilton and Mareike Ohlberg | Sep 8, 2020]
You know it from Miles Guo, everybody says crazy
Miles Guo.
[Guo
Wengui, known to Steve Bannon as Miles Guo, is a Chinese billionaire who was
forced to leave China for the US. See "How a
renegade Chinese billionaire became a center of D.C. intrigue" https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/07/guo-wengui-chinese-billionaire-1356594]
Well, hey, you may think
he's crazy. Everything he said has turned out to be true about the infiltration.
The people will tell you
that there's no Security apparatus, yet they come out. When this information
comes out, and it points directly to the Chinese Communist Party compromise of
not just Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden is just a guy. He's drinking what the
client's drinking. It's Joe Biden and Joe Biden's brother, and their business
model is monetization of the high offices that Joe Biden has had. Because this
stuff goes back to the Obama administration. The apparatus comes out, and they
put out a former... it's not just that,.. They put their money into taking an
ad in the New York Times, they say this is all Russian disinformation.
That is not a mistake. People
make mistakes. That's not a miscalculation. People make miscalculations. That
is a bald-faced lie. It is a bald-faced lie to cover for the Chinese Communist
Party. You're going to find when you get to the end of this investigation, the
rot, the rot in the American national security apparatus, and the rot in the
American intelligence community, and their relationships with the Chinese
Communist party is why this thing has been suppressed. Okay, that's not a
conspiracy theory. That's that there are no coincidences. They knew for a fact
that this had nothing to do with Russian disinformation.
14:17
Number one, the
Bidens... we have put out... the reason our Twitter account got taken down, We have put out on the War Room Twitter all
of the details. We've got the receipts. We've put out all the wire transfers. We've
put out all the signed engagement letters, we put out all the signed joint
venture agreement. We put in all the signed promissory notes. We put out all
the equity ownerships. Everything is out there, because Hunter Biden kept it
all. And these are facts. And the Biden family has not come back one time, or
any lawyer from them, have come back and refuted any document that's been put out,
including the other day Bob Costello put out the email where Hunter Biden's partner
is saying you forgot to include $400,000 in your in your... oops... you forgot
to include $400,000 you took from Burisma in your taxes, your tax returns, you
better do that, two years after the fact.
And so this is an act of
commission, not an act of omission by the intelligence apparatus, that is bound
and determined to drive Donald Trump and everybody related to Donald Trump out
of office and not have access to control in the US government. And why is that?
Because Donald Trump was the first person to put America First and to confront
the Chinese Communist Party and to single out that China is not our enemy, the
Chinese people are not our enemy, but who is the enemy of the Chinese people in
the nation of China is the Chinese Communist Party and that is what you're seeing
this. That's is why a special prosecutor has to be identified. And this is for
the readers of the Epoch Times and the viewers of NTD. History is on our side. We
are winning so much right now, because the exposure of what these people have
been up to is coming out and it can't be hidden anymore.
Joshua: Now Steve, you
and I have of course been writing a lot over the years, you talking more about
the Chinese Communist party system of unrestricted warfare. And a big part of
that is political warfare, as you mentioned, and also psychological warfare,
changing the narratives. Now when we talk about the systems for this, they have
two main branches, United Front Work department, overseas Chinese Affairs
office, which is part of that, and the general political Department, liaison
Department, which I think they might have moved to a different branch now. In
other words, a military branch and a government branch dedicated to subverting
our system of government. And it is focused mainly on the elites,
Bannon: elite capture
Joshua: the politicians,
the academics, the financial movers, and different individuals who can have
influence as cited, journalists, you name it -- targeted, huge scale, full-time
job, run through the consulate, even publicly listed on some of their websites.
Now, if you were to talk now about what we're seeing with what's happening now,
you mention Trump not really being part of that.
There was this viral
video of Dr. Di DongSheng, this Chinese professor in China, and part of the
brain trust of Xi Jingping, the head of the Chinese Communist Party, talking
about how the Chinese Communist party was able to control US politics through
the financial industries and the banking industries, and says they were not
able to control Trump through that. Of course, you have written the Trump
Administration [forbade any such influence.] Was that also what you saw?
Di Dongsheng 1: We Have People at the Top
of America's Circle-2020 | Trump & Sidney Powell retweeted https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df1ViazTCn0
Di Dongsheng speech on why can't buy
Trump, and how Biden son's fund related to China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeegrkPx0xE
China Insider: ‘Old Friends’ in Elite
American Circles Help China Influence Washington
https://www.theepochtimes.com/old-friends-in-elite-american-circles-help-china-influence-washington_3609992.html
Video: How Trump Broke China’s Control of
America
https://www.theepochtimes.com/revealed-how-trump-broke-chinas-control-of-america_3610295.html
-- A small curiosity: notice two
differing translations of the word used to describe the stubborn American shop-keeper,
unwilling to change his meeting schedule on short notice to accommodate Chinese
meeting. -- arrogant/spoiled
17:21
Bannon: I wouldn't allow
it. My portfolio was China. When I came
on the campaign in August, one of the things I said is we are not focused on
China enough, particularly comparing the globalists of Hillary Clinton to the
Nationalists and populists of Donald Trump, and it was my number one focus in
the administration, and I take a lot of pride in the fact that at least to get
it reoriented that they're not a competitor, they're not a strategic partner,
they're an enemy. The Chinese Communist party is an enemy.
The unrestricted warfare
is obviously psychological, information, economics. They never want to take us
on militarily, right? They understand that we have overwhelming military power.
But they can subvert us much easier, they believe. And here's the reason. It is
essentially 5,000 years of the way that they've controlled their own National
Security Affairs. People say, Well, China is not an expansionist power, Well,
one of the reasons they are an expansionist power geopolitically. meaning that territory-wise...
And here is how they do it: It is called tributary States. It's elite capture.
Their basic policy is capture of elites, incentivize elites to be a tributary
state to do what you want them to do and you will reward them exponentially. In
fact, they will have more rewards in being part of your system as a tributary
state than they would be with their own independence and freedom. It is a
direct through-line of Chinese national security policy.
18:56
What they have
essentially done is to take the British East India model and just run it in
reverse, okay? It's all about elite capture. And let's be brutally frank: they
have captured our elites, a large portion of them. As the professor said the
other day, now remember he's also part of the inner think tank for Xi... more
importantly I think the people... they have an ivy league, it's called the 9C's
[C9 League of Chinese Universities] which are the universities... they are the
ivy league equivalents in China. This University that he's essentially the head
of, is really the Cadre school. This is where the apparatchiks are trained, and
I think what's most
powerful about that video, if anybody hasn't seen it they ought to watch it, is
the matter-of-fact way he's laying this out. It's like this is obviously how we
did it, and he's putting it out there in a very conversational manner and very
much, "oh by the way" and of course he cites some examples, and
there's a woman from Wall Street they cite about capture, yes absolutely.
In the Trump
Administration the biggest forces he had to fight were the Chamber of Commerce,
were the global Corporation CEOs, particularly Wall Street. They all want to be
in business with the Chinese Communist Party. Here is, remember, there are no
conspiracies, but there are also no coincidences.
Let's go back in time,
the third week of January in 2017 there are two speeches that are given, one in
Davos and one in Washington DC. The one in Washington DC will be Donald Trump's
inauguration address of January 20th 2017. A few days before, in Davos, at the
world economic forum, Xi goes and gives a speech [FN] and he's lauded by
everybody there, all the Davos men, right? All the top consultants for
Mackenzie and Booz Allen, the top Bankers, the hedge fund managers, the money
managers, the commercial Bankers, all the media stars, all of Hollywood,
they're all in Davos for the winter weekend, the winter festival, where they all
meet, right, and all talk about how the future is going to be.
The most elitist gathering
of the world's financial, business, and political and cultural community that
exists. And Xi gives a speech and the speech is... The globalization projects
great, you know we're the railhead of it. You guys are all kind of tributary
states and that, but you're going to make more money than ever. And the only
problem we have. We have one problem on the horizon. Populist nationalism, it's
a problem, right. It's a problem. You have all the unwashed masses now who are
not trained or not Elites like you that want to have a say-so. Two days later,
3 days later, Donald Trump gives his "the American Carnage" speech. What
the American Carnage speech is at its heart is a defense of the Westphalian
system, a defense of the nation-state, a nation-state as a unit that man can
get the most freedom... in a very imperfect world, can have the most freedom
possible.
So you have the globalization
project and you have the Nationalist project. Now remember Xi... you pick up
the Financial Times of London or you pick up The Economist, you pick up the top
papers of the world during that week, Xi is hailed as a global leader, a man of
peace, a visionary, right, that has led the world to a good place in this
globalization project. Now, let's go back, when I talk about Consultants, and I
talk about bankers, and hedge fund managers, the media, and everything, that
all go to Davos. They all do different things, but they're all in one business.
That business is the information business, whether that's about trading stocks,
about being in media, or making corporate moves, they're all in the information
business. In fact, these are the smartest guys in the room. They have access to
every piece of information in the world.
So when Xi sitting up there and is being lauded as a hero on the cover of The
Economist and the front page of the
Financial Times, and The Times of London, The New York Times, every person there, every participant at that, they know
all about the Uyghurs, the concentration camps, they all know that the house
Christians, they all know about the organ harvesting, they all know that the
suppression of the underground Catholic Church, they all know about the Falun Gong,
and the torture of the Falun Gong, suppression of the Falun Gong.
[A new Chinese religious movement, persecuted by the Chinese
government]
They all know about the
Democracy movement, they know about what's going on in Hong Kong. They know
everything. They have perfect
information on everything and they don't care.
The point people have to
understand is that the globalization project does not care. The beating heart,
the economic model, and this is not a conspiracy, it's all out in the open. The
central part of the apparatus that makes the whole thing work is the slave
labor of the people of China. It only works, the model only works, if you've enslaved
the people of China as slave labor, because enslaving them as slave labor,
underpaid and working these incredible hours in these factories, allows the
rest of the world workers to [also] be serfs. The greatest export that China
has and what they want the business model to have is deflation.
23:44
It's over-capacity in
the state-owned industries. It's the way that no prices can rise. It's the way
they have higher margins because they keep labor costs down. The slave labor of
China goes throughout the world as an export and it allows the world's workers,
whether they're an India or Western Europe or the United States never to get
pay raises. This was the miracle of Donald Trump to actually give blue collar
workers pay raises. This is the system we have, and who supports that system
are the world's elites. Who opposes that system are populist nationalists
throughout the world, and who our greatest Ally in this crusade, in this effort,
are lao bai xing, "old hundred names" [ordinary people] in China,
because they understand it's their oppression that makes the system work and
it's their freedom that will actually end up breaking the system.
This is what Donald
Trump represented. This is why Donald Trump was an existential threat to the
globalization project. Some might say it was tariffs, yes, and everything, but
these are all aspects of it, but the central part of it was seeing, the seeds
of it, was seeing those two speeches. Those are two diametrically opposed ways
that the world should be organized. One is based upon hundreds of years of freedom,
as imperfect as it's been, right, versus a totalitarian...
Full Text: Xi Jinping's keynote speech at
the World Economic Forum
http://www.china.org.cn/node_7247529/content_40569136.htm
Read the full transcript of Trump's
inaugural address
'This American carnage stops right here':
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/full-text-trump-inauguration-speech
Here's where a lot of
people are saying, Oh, they're trying to turn American into socialism or communism.
No. The CCP is not a communist organization. That's just all a false front. What
it is, it's a combination of State capitalism, combined with dictatorial
authoritarian rule, okay, and so that combination, which the Western elites love.
You see Tom Freeman, well,
if we could just be China for a day, we could solve global warming and we could
solve racial Injustice, and everything like that. They like that model. They
admire Xi. They admire Wang Qishan.
[Vice President of the People's Republic of China].
Yeah, they say there
might be some problems, and everything like that, and a report just broke the
other day where Apple TV stops some story on Gawker, but the real story was
people inside of Apple TV says "Well. it's not Gawker and these other
series that Tim Cook doesn't want to do.
[Gawker Media LLC was an American online media company and blog
network.]
The one Ironclad law at
Apple TV is that you can never criticize the Chinese Communist Party or the official
state apparatus in China. And that to me is a crime. These Tech oligarchs in
Silicon Valley are in business with them. Wall Street oligarchs are in business
with them. The global corporations are in business with them, they are business
partners, that is what's got to be broken, and that is why the heroism and
bravery of people like the Epoch Times.
Now the people who
report on this every day are under a constant pressure by the state apparatus
of China is nothing short of heroic. And this is the fight of our time. This is
what this is all about. Remember, but the major media doesn't want to talk
about. Why are we even having this discussion about voter fraud. Why was I
going around for months talking about the plan to steal 20/20, back in June and
July and August, because of the Chinese Communist Party virus. What's your
documentary, the documentary that Epoch Times did and NTD did, what, eight or
nine months ago, nobody talks about it. The whole reason we have this fiasco of
mail-in ballots was because of the Chinese Communist Party virus. The whole
reason I do War Room: Pandemic, and I've done it since January, when Tony Fauci
[advisor to Pres. Trump on CCP virus pandemic matters]
says, well, "there's
no pandemic, it's a flu, that's somewhere in China. I said "No, no, no,
no." This is the CCP. This is a major event. This going to change world
history, and today we're sitting here with a balance sheet in the Federal
Reserve that has been completely destroyed, an economy that is crushed,
deficits running at trillions of dollars a year.
27:10
We have no way to think
through this because we don't come to grips with the central problem.
The central problem is the Chinese
Communist Party. They're the ones that either inadvertently allowed it to leak
out of a bioweapons lab "gain of function" [experiments to increase
the contagiousness and lethality of a microorganism] or allowed it to be pushed
out as a biological weapon. Either way, they must be held accountable, and no
western government today is stepping up and holding them accountable. So, this
is the great struggle of our times. And one side's going to win and on side's
going to lose. And if the Chinese Communist Party continues to capture our
elite whether in
27:44
the United Kingdom,
Western Europe, the United States. If they capture our elite, they will
eventually win, and if we don't break that, if we don't break that elite
capture [they will win. But if we do break it] that is the first step to
destroying the Chinese Communist Party
28:10
Joshua: Now, the Chinese
Communist Party in its strategies. For a lot of the Chinese people they know
this. If you went to school in China you know this, for the most part. They say
strangle you with your own systems, and the idea, one of the ideas of
unrestricted warfare is to manipulate the open nature of foreign countries to
gain control of the infrastructures, of the institutions, and thereby gain
control of the countries, as you mentioned, make them vassal states,
essentially. Now if we understand how this warfare works and what it means to
become a vassal state. Now you mentioned that people say China is not an
expansionist country. That's not true as you know, as well, as you mentioned. They
talk about, you know, China's 2049 project. They talk, for example, about their
ambitions. They have China 2025, talking about this ambition, the "China
dream," they call it. They talk for example about what it means to conquer
a nation with the China model and the "one belt one road" Initiative,
for example. Now if we, if we understand what this is. Now, it's interesting. I
have talked with some Chinese colleagues before. And they say when they hear "globalism,"
you know what they think of? They think the Communist International, because
when they were growing up during the Cold War, that was the narrative being
pushed. And when they see globalism, they see communist International, and it's
the same exact thing under a different name. Now, Steve, I am curious, how
would we define, in this case, the subjugation of a nation, the creation of
vassal States using non-military means.
Bannon: Well, you seeing
it right now. You're seeing it... like the landmass of Eurasia. Remember, they
have... people say they're not geographically expansionist. Well, I would
actually argue that for the first time the three great theories of geopolitics,
geopolitical expansion, are being inculcated into the basic strategy of the
Chinese Communist Party for the first time ever. They've taken Mackinder's
which is "He who controls the world
30:05
Island, basically the
Eurasian landmass, he who controls the world Island, particularly the center of
it, controls the world. The second is Mahan's strategy which was the strategy
of the British Empire and the United States -- control the naval chokepoints. If
you control the seas, particularly the naval chokepoints, you will be able to
control the world Island, therefore the world. The third is a guy named
Speakman who said, no no no, the key is the rimland around Asia. If you control
that and force people off, you'll control both the Interior landmass and you
control the oceans. The Chinese Communist party is the only nation on Earth that
is doing all 3 at one time. Between "one belt one road," their naval
expansion in these... from Djibouti to all the different choke points, Straits
of Malacca, all of it, and then what they're doing to force the United States and
30:58
the West, Australia,
everybody, back off away from the mainland, particularly around the South China
Sea, to call it territorial sea and force the United States back to Guam, and Australian
and these guys back off of the rimland. They are right now, and they're
partners, remember, North Korea..., here's their junior partners, North Korea,
Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, and Russia. And right now Turkey [is] sometimes in,
sometimes out. The others are totally captured, OK? Totally elite capture,
totally part of the plan, particularly the Mullahs being, I think, the most
dangerous,
but they are all part,
and that is their effort
to control the Eurasian landmass. Now, American foreign policy, boiled down to
its essence, since August of 1914, the beginning of the first world war, is
that... and it was, it was a... bipartisan. "We will never allow either
one power or a combination of powers to control the Eurasian landmass, because
that essentially IS the world island, If you look at a map the way it really
should be, or the globe, the Western Hemisphere and everything, are islands off
of this massive landmass.
Joshua: Russia's
strategy is based on this whole Duginism strategy, which is the same thing...
[Duginism is the political theory of a Russian fascist, Aleksandr
Gelyevich Dugin. It covers two categories: geopolitical and ideological. It is
said that Vladimir Putin accepts the theory.
What is Duginism?
https://existentialenso.medium.com/what-is-duginism-71f44a652658]
Bannon: The same thing
about central Asia,
and "one belt one
road,"
[What Is One Belt One Road (OBOR)?
One Belt One Road (OBOR), the brainchild
of Chinese President Xi Jinping, is an ambitious economic development and
commercial project that focuses on improving connectivity and cooperation among
multiple countries spread across the continents of Asia, Africa, and Europe.
Dubbed as the “Project of the Century” by the Chinese authorities, OBOR spans
about 78 countries.
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/one-belt-one-road-obor.asp#:~:text=One%20Belt%20One%20Road%20%28OBOR%29%20is%20a%20Chinese,and%20the%20countries%20in%20Asia%2C%20Africa%2C%20and%20Europe.]
made in China 2025,
Made in China 2025 is a national
strategic plan to further develop the manufacturing sector of the People's
Republic of China, issued by Premier Li Keqiang and his cabinet in May 2015.[5]
As part of the Thirteenth and Fourteenth five-year plans, China aims to move
away from being the "world's factory"—a producer of cheap low-tech
goods facilitated by lower labour costs and supply chain advantages. The plan
aims to upgrade the manufacturing capabilities of Chinese industries, growing
from labor-intensive workshops into a more technology-intensive powerhouse. The
goals of Made in China 2025 include increasing the Chinese-domestic content of
core materials to 40 percent by 2020 and 70 percent by 2025.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025
and the Huawei rollout,
Shaping the future with
5G rollout
"5G rollout is driving a massive
digital revolution and boosting the global economy. For telcos, gearing up with
5G is the key to succeeding in the future digital society."
https://www.huawei.com/en/publications/winwin-magazine/35/shaping-the-future-5g-rollout
those three converging
big strategies were what was used to make these basically [into] vassal States.
Remember, "one belt one road" was just about elite capture, lending countries
money to build infrastructure that united the markets.
Remember, the way the
Chinese communist party thinks of it: China will be the railhead of all
advanced manufacturing, right, and they'll do that, and made in China 2025 is to
capture 10 or 12 Industries between a convergence of advanced chip design, robotics,
and artificial intelligence. We don't add the bio-engineering part but that's a
very important part also. It was to make markets and access to raw materials
and markets and make sure that these countries make enough money that there are
end markets in products, and maybe even in the case of Western Europe you make
some component pieces. But essentially, you're in a network effect. His speech
in Davos is that we don't need the nation-state. What globalism really is is a network,
it's a network. And China will be the one nation state, but the rest of it will
be just be a network of kind of these ill-defined geographic units, okay?
The Westphalian system
is actually a community, a world community of independent nation-states and
that's where they are diametrically opposed.
33:30
But, the Chinese, and
the Chinese communist party is well down the road, for the first time... and
the Eurasian landmass. And this is where the... If there is a third world war...
when I say 3rd World War. if we move from the unrestricted or the active war we
are in now, both a media, cyberwar, an information war, and an economic war, and
quite frankly a political war. And this is not a cold war. These are hot Wars. If
we shifted that to actually a shooting war, which the Chinese don't want
because they intend to defeat you before you get to that. They understand that
the West is quite good in not only in arms manufacturing, [but in] the ability
to use those in a combined operation, and that our soldiers for thousands of
years have been trained in a certain type of military mentality, the Chinese
don't want to take that on.
But, if it does come to
that, it will come in places like the South China Sea or up on the Indian/Tibet/China
border where you can see these hot flashes right now around the Eurasian
landmass. and so this is why we're in very very difficult territory.
This is like the 1930s.
The Chinese communist party is no different than the rise of the fascists and
the Nazis in the 1930s. And places like Hong Kong are really the equivalent of
Czechoslovakia. That is where the West has to stand up and you have to draw a
line. If you allow free people like in Hong Kong to be rolled up into this
system, then nobody's going to stand up to them.
Now, remember the reason
we have a diaspora of the Chinese throughout the world is that the Chinese
people want freedom. This is what I said about this election. Military officers
that supported Trump says it is the most important election in the United
States since the founding of the Republic. But, it's also the most important
election in 5,000 years of Chinese history. The Chinese people are the only
great civilization where the people have never had a day of freedom. You know,
maybe during Sun Yet Sen or sometime in the Republic, maybe, but for 5,000
years, right, you've had a subjugation of these people. They've never had
freedom.
[See movie about the effects of the long-term subjugation of the
Chinese, including injustices and subjugations of every kind:
The Assassins https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQaEcA7HEtY
In the year 198 BC, Cao Cao (CHOW YUN
FAT), Prime Minister of the Han Dynasty, ventured to the east and defeated
China's greatest warrior Lu Bu, terrifying every ambitious warlord across the
country. Several years later, after taking the Han Emperor under his wing, Cao
crowns himself King of Wei. He built a magnificent Bronze Sparrow Island to
symbolize his power and rumors spread that he would replace the Emperor. Meanwhile, young lovers Mu Shun (TAMAKI
HIROSHI) and Ling Ju (CRYSTAL LIU YI FEI) are taken from a prison camp to a
hidden tomb, where they spend five cruel years together, training as assassins
for a secret mission. In the year 220 BC astronomical signs predict dramatic
change. As a result, Cao's son Cao Pi (QIU XIN ZHI) and Cao's followers urge
Cao to become the new Emperor - but unknown and opposing forces plot against
him. Starring international film legend Chow Yun-Fat, and created by the team
behind gripping action dramas such as HERO, HOUSE OF FLYING DAGGERS, CURSE OF
THE GOLDEN FLOWER and KILL BILL, THE ASSASSINS is a gripping, lush historical
epic that mixes tragic romance with taut political drama.]
And what you see, and
what the Chinese communist party cannot allow to happen, is the diaspora, where
they go to Canada and the United States and Australia and Taiwan and Western
Europe, and they thrive and prosper. Look at what the Chinese people have done
away from their Homeland. It's not that they want to leave China, but they're
forced to leave China because opportunities of freedom, democracy, and the rule
of law exist in the west right now. And that's where you see the thriving of
this community. And that's the great struggle. The Chinese Communist Party cannot allow that
to happen. These people leave, they have to be hunted down and suppressed, whether
it is the Falun Gong or the Democracy movement or the underground Christians. They
have to be hunted down and suppressed throughout the world,
and what they cannot
allow is places like Hong Kong and Taiwan to prosper for the world to see. Hey
look at Hong Kong, Hong Kong. Look at what the Chinese people have done on a rock
to build the world's third greatest capital Market with freedom and the rule of
law. The Chinese Communist Party cannot allow that. And that is why you see the
weakness.
If you want to see elite
capture look at the weak-willed counter to what happened in Hong Kong. The West
should have stood united, led by Great Britain, quite frankly, because it is a
former British Crown colony, and they actually took a deal that the whole world
supported because Margaret Thatcher and the British negotiated and they allowed
to be torn up and thrown in people's faces and spit on it and suppressed the
people in Hong Kong, the British should...
If you wanted to look at
the decline of Britain, look at nothing more than what happened in Hong Kong and
the failure of Great Britain to stand up, and I put the United States,
President Trump... I thought if you look at his total confrontation with the
Chinese Communist Party, by far the weakest aspect of this was the
confrontation in Hong Kong which we should have... We'll rue the day that we
did not stop back in 2019 what happened to the people of Hong Kong, to stop
this at it birth, and ended.. and let the Chinese Communist Party know "You
do not have a free pass to subjugate free Chinese throughout the world.
You know, President
Trump won on November 3rd, I strongly believe to 99%, we're going to close on that
victory have a second term starting on January 20th, but in that chance that
Biden somehow does be able to steal this, people should understand that we are
spending 20 hours a day to make sure that there is a total inability of Biden
and his people around him to be able to reverse the great movement we've made
and actually the confrontation with the Chinese Communist Party that is going
on right now.
This is the existential
threat. This is what a hundred years from now, this is what people are going to
remember. What they're going to remember right now, President Trump's first
term, and I've told him, they are going to remember one thing, it's not going
to be the impeachment, it is not going to be all of this Russian nonsense, it
is not going to be your tax cut, it's going to be that you were the individual [that]
stood up for the first time as a leader of the United States and confronted the
Chinese Communist party. As imperfect as that confrontation was, and I realize
it wasn't perfect, that was a sea-change and it will be discussed a hundred
years from now.
People, your viewers should
understand we're going to win this. There's no doubt we're going to win this.
And why are we going to win this? We're going to win this because we have the
greatest ally we could possibly have in this fight and that's the Chinese
people lao bai xing [ordinary people].
Everyday of my life I
work on one project -- the combination of the deplorables and lao bai xing.
Because they have a... I come from lao bai xing of America. I come from a
working-class blue collar family of little guys. Everybody in my family is a
little guy, right. They're just the cogs in the wheel, right. Now they're happy
cogs in the wheel, and that's the way a society, a Civic Society should be,
should be structured. The lao bai xing "old hundred names" the working men and women in China are our
greatest ally to basically take down the Chinese Communist party. It's actually
the defining event of the first half of the 21st century will be the freedom of
the Chinese people and how they achieve it.
Only the Chinese people
can get their freedom. We are here to assist, and if we assist and have their
back, right, in every aspect of this global conflict, the Chinese people will eventually
overthrow the Chinese Communist party and install a government they want, that
has the rule of law and democracy and everything that they have prospered in
the west under. And so that is the great challenge for us today, and one of the
things I think is the reason this show "The War Room" has gotten such
a massive International audience is we speak to both audiences and we speak to them
as one group, that the system is stacked against you for the benefit of the
elites that control that system, right, and this is a very... you can think it
through, you can walk through the math, you can walk through the economics,
walk through the geopolitics, and it's quite evident at the end of it. And most
importantly, they get it. It's not like they have to go through some long
lecture.
I tell people... when I
was out in Ohio to see Pres. Trump when he had these speeches. If he goes to
Ohio or Michigan or Pennsylvania he can start talking about China and the
deindustrialization of America and the Chinese Communist Party working with
Wall Street to take the factories away, he doesn't need a big explanation. They
intuitively know what's going on and respond in a very strong manner,
positively to that message.
If you go to New York or
go to Washington DC, people look like you've got two heads. What are you talking
about? Aren't they our partners? Aren't they maybe our competitors? Strategic competitors, now that's a new buzzword that
they want to do... Oh they're strategic competitors. No, they're not strategic
competitors. They're an enemy. They're an enemy of their own people. They're an
enemy of the people of the United States. And most importantly, and this is
shown by the CCP virus and their activities. They are a threat to all mankind,
okay? They only care about their own rule. The people they care least about on
Earth are the Chinese people, and that is our greatest asset in their
destruction, is the partnership with the Chinese people. And people should
understand we're winning. I am not going to say is going to happen tomorrow but
we're winning and ultimately the Chinese people are going to be free by their
own hand. And I consider it an honor to be a small part of the assistance of
the Chinese people in their effort.
Joshua: Steve, a last
question. In terms of this global battle we've talked about. Now at Epoch Times
you have talked about it's freedom vs. socialism. You could also define it as
frankly Good vs Evil, and tyranny vs. freedom, and in other ways. How would you
define this global battle that the world is in right now, and how does this
relate to the election?
Bannon: I think this was
what part of the election was about. The CCP virus that allowed... that gave
the Democrats and the Progressive left an opportunity to try to steal this. But
this... when you boil it down, it's between the alliance of Liberty and people
that want to breathe the clean fresh air of freedom with all the
responsibilities and all the downside that comes with that versus a
totalitarian system that's both a combination of the worst elements of State
capitalism and the worst elements of a totalitarian model.
There's no better way to
represent than the diaspora of the Chinese people. I say, hey look, look at the
United States, look at Canada, look at England, look at Western Europe, look at
Australia, look at all over the world. Where the Chinese people have access to
the rule of law, democracy, and freedom, they prosper. They are among your best
citizens, they're family oriented, they're hard-working, they're achievement
oriented, they believe in meritocracy, they're everything you want in a
democracy, in a republic, in a country, about a good citizen, the citizen that focuses
on their own household and how they make things better and how they make things
better for the community.
So, the way I define
this, it is good and evil. It is quite Manichean.
Manichean
An adherent of the dualistic religious
system of Manes, a combination of Gnostic Christianity, Buddhism,
Zoroastrianism, and various other elements, with a basic doctrine of a conflict
between light and dark, matter being regarded as dark and evil. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/manichean
The Chinese Communist
Party is rotten to its core because it instills all the worst elements that
freedom-loving people fought for Millennia against. The total absolute control
by a small group of elites that don't allow any rights at all to anybody else
and only look at those as basically units of production to get their benefit of
what they have.
And this is why this
election was about... the outcome of it, was most important election in 5,000
years of Chinese history. It is why the Chinese people, as great a civilization
that it is, that the Chinese people lao bai xing have not had a day of freedom
in what five or ten thousand years. No other civilization on Earth is like that.
And here you have, I would argue one of the greatest civilizations, that is...
incorporates I think some of the greatest people on Earth and they've proven
that as they've gotten out to the West and other areas and had the opportunity
to have... to be... to live under the rule of law, that it is absolutely a
shocking crime, and I think the biggest criminals in this are not simply the
Chinese Communist Party. I think it's their benefactors and their Partners in
the west who should know better. It is Wall Street... remember these are not
people that don't know the information. Go back to the business logic of the
party at Davos, of the world economic Forum, of this Gathering in Davos that
just represents the system throughout the world. They're in the information business.
They are the smartest people in the room. They went to all the Ivy League
schools.
I went to Georgetown in
the School of Foreign Service. I went to Harvard Business School. I worked at
Goldman Sachs. I've been in those board rooms. I see how these people think. I
know their access to information. It is not that they don't know what's going
on. They absolutely know. And if I can make a lasting [effect] about how it's
going to come down, I want, I want to refer back to a movie. There's a film
that was made back in the 1990s with Kevin Costner and Sean Connery about Eliot
Ness. It was called "The Untouchables." It was about the era of
gangsterism in Chicago in the 1920s during prohibition. And Sean Connery played
an old Irish cop and Kevin Costner was a young investigator and they were going
up against Al Capone and the worst mafia, mafia like the Chinese Communist
party, in Chicago in the 1920s. And Sean Connery turns to Elliot
Ness, Elliot Ness is kind of running around. He says "Hang on, you've
got to understand something, everybody knows where the whiskey is. Everybody
knows where the stills are. Everybody knows where they make it. It's not that
we know where it is, it's do we have the political will to walk across the
street and take an ax and beat down the door and stop it.
That's the only thing we
have, it's the only thing that's holding us back. This will end like that [snaps
fingers] if we have that, if you have the political will and courage. That's
essentially where we are today. Everybody on Earth knows what the Chinese
Communist Party stands for. Everybody on earth, including in the Muslim nations
that are all their partners, understands what they have done with the Uyghers
and the concentration camps. Everybody knows what they have done with the organ
harvesting. Everybody knows what they have done to the underground house
Christians. Everybody knows the suppression, where Cardinal Zen has pointed out
that the Vatican is in business with the suppression of the underground
Catholic Church.
["Dissident claims Chinese Communist
Party pays Vatican $2 billion annually to keep shut"
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/other/dissident-claims-chinese-communist-party-pays-vatican-242-billion-annually-to-keep-shut/ar-BB165sO5]
Everybody knows about
the torture and the suppression of the Falun Gong. Everybody knows what they've
done to the Democracy movement. Everybody knows that they go throughout the
world and hunt down free Chinese that are making an impact and standing up to
them on a worldwide basis. Every elite, every newspaper, every TV show, CNN,
MSNBC, The New York Times, the Washington Post, the Times of London, the
Financial Times, The Economist, they all know. It has no... this is not about
information. It's not about, "No I
didn't know that." I didn't know. Yes, they all know. Wall Street knows,
the corporations know, they kowtow to it. They know.
The only question we
have is do we have the political will to stop it, and the political will will come
from the populist movement. It will come from the deplorables, and it will come
from the lao bai xing. Eventually when those two groups get a belly full of it
and say we will not allow this to continue, is when dramatic changes are going
to happen, and that's going to take... that's going to be the fall of the
Chinese Communist Party and the holding accountable that everybody that was
their partners, and everybody that made money with them, and everybody that
stole wealth, stole wealth from the Chinese people. That Day of Reckoning is
coming and that day of accountability that's going to come on the day after
that, is coming, and people should understand that we're winning. Sometimes
there's blue sky and sometimes there are grey skies, but we're winning and
that's why... it's a fight. You know I'm a big believer, I'm a fighter, I'm a Street
Fighter but I believe in fights that matter. This is not only a fight that
matters; this is maybe the ONLY fight that matters when you take it at that
level, and so I'm honored to be able to do this every day of my life.
Joshua: Steve Bannon.
It's a real pleasure.
Bannon: Thanks, Joshua.
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